Open Comb Twist to Open razors

Discussion in 'Safety Razors' started by jar, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. jar

    jar Well-Known Member

    I am curious why there seem to be so few twist to open razors that also have an open comb. While I am certainly ignorant of many, these are the ones I do know.

    There is the GEM/Eversharp MMOC

    From Gillette we have:
    Regent Tech
    Early Aristocrat
    Early Senator
    Early Sheraton​

    Pearl makes some Open Comb Twist to Open razors

    What else is out there that is both a one piece design (visually) and open comb?
     
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  2. drone115b

    drone115b Active Member

    At the risk of being controversial: Open combs were harder to manufacture with pressed brass plates. They were also subject to damage in the factory when dropped, relative to closed comb. I think this is why Gillette et al moved away from open combs as close combs proved their worth. In modern times, open combs drain cream/soap/scum away from the blade a little more efficiently so that's why they feel more aggressive to a lot of people when all other aspects of the head design are the same. All that to say : I don't think you'll find many open comb TTO because those were mostly made from pressed metal plates and closed combs were favorable to the manufacturer for those designs. (I'm making a lot of assumptions here based on my own experience with Gillettes and with designing a few open comb heads...)
     
  3. jar

    jar Well-Known Member

    That certainly sounds reasonable but do you know of any examples other than the ones I mentioned?
     
  4. drone115b

    drone115b Active Member

    No. I just don't think people want to go through the effort it requires to make them any more.
     
  5. jar

    jar Well-Known Member

    Pearl still makes some I believe but that's the only current maker I have heard about.
     
  6. drone115b

    drone115b Active Member

    Yes. Unless I am mistaken, the Pearl open comb has about six teeth. Contrast this with 11+ for most open combs. I'm not trying to distract you from getting the list of products you're seeking; I'm just trying to lay down some reasonable expectations. TTO + open comb isn't great for the guy having to make them.
     
  7. jar

    jar Well-Known Member

    That could well be, yet many companies make three piece open comb razors today. A lesser number of companies make TTO razors today. What is different between a base plate for a three piece open comb and a base plate for a TTO open comb?
     
  8. drone115b

    drone115b Active Member

    That is a great question. Back in the day, folks made specialized equipment for manufacturing. Today people want generic equipment for manufacturing, so models can change every year (or even season). The TTO are most easily made by pressing metal sheets into the necessary shapes. 3-piece razors (today) are typically made with a mold - molten metal is poured into a hollowed shape. Molds are far less risk and far easier to reconfigure than machines that press sheets of metal. 3-piece don't require assembly either. So 3-piece are cheap and easy while TTO require more commitment. I hope I am being helpful to your quest...
     
  9. John Ruschmeyer

    John Ruschmeyer Well-Known Member

    Going back to @drone115b's post... TTO razors require a thin baseplate which is achieved by using stamped metal. Most three-piece OC razors are made using cast or machined baseplates. The cast/machined razors are actually cheaper to make as they don't require the special dies and stamping machines.

    This is the real bottom line- economics. Back in the day, Gillette could make stamped OC razors because it had the investment in the equipment. Even with that, I imagine there was a higher reject/rework rate due to the comparative frailty of the comb teeth. (This is probably why the Peal OC TTO has so few teeth- better rigidity.)
     
  10. drone115b

    drone115b Active Member

    One of the reasons why I like 3D printing is because it puts some of these manufacturing constraints on their heads. The complexity of the shape is not relevant, only the volume and material. So an open comb can actually be less expensive to 3D print than a closed comb! I am leaning heavily toward open combs in my current and future 3D designs.
     

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