They join my short comb NEW and a poor, neglected Ri Mei. A friend who's been hearing me talk about safety razors picked up a lot of a dozen or so on CL, and gave me these two for helping him identify them and giving him advice on how to clean them. He's selling off a few, keeping a couple NEWs, a ball end Tech, a couple Superspeeds and an Old Type. I set him up with some C.O. Bigelow and my extra Ecotools brush to get started. I think I've managed to convert him.