Help Identify this Jackson Garanti SR

Discussion in 'Straight Razors' started by Willk, Mar 1, 2018.

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  1. Willk

    Willk Active Member

    Hi all,
    I received my first SR and am learning how to use it. The guy I got it from has over 50 razors, and I asked him why. He said "Why not"? I am now beginning to see his wisdom. As well, I am starting to become obsessed with my SR. Can anyone help identify:
    • How old this razor is?
    • What do the numbers 383 5/8 mean?
    • What does double hollowed mean?
    • Where was it made?
    • What happened to the company that made it?
    Other questions I have that no one can answer is How many people owned this SR before me? Who first bought it? It may not be that old of a razor, but what adventures did the guy who bought it went through? Did he use this razor right before meeting a lovely girl under the Effile Tower? Did he use this razor in the depths of some war? Or when he was starting a business from ground up? Did he use this razor for a time where the odds were against him and he had to do the right thing at work, or with his friends, or in some foreign meeting? Was this his first razor that he used when he raised a young family with?

    What I do know about the razor:
    • It has Jackson Garanti stamped on the shank. I assume this is the manufacturer
    • It has very faint etching in the blade (not sure how visible it is in the photos I'm sending) with some words in French. I made out the following and translated:
    • Forge A La Main =made by hand
    • Double évidé Sonnant = Double hollowed sharp

    Click on the thumbnails to see the whole image

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    Here is a link to the full resolution of some of the photos, so you can better make out the writing and logo:
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/78020500@N04/uyf59B

    Thanks,
    Will
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2018
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  2. dangermouse

    dangermouse Well-Known Member

    Hi Will. I can only be a very little help, as I cannot find any trace of the manufacturer Jackson Garenti in my search engine. The number 383 on the blade might indicate the production run of that particular type of razor, for company records; the 5/8 indicates the height of the blade measured in eighths of an inch. Here is an interesting Wikipedia article, if you scroll through, it shows the different types of grind and you'll be able to compare it to your razor.
    I'm sorry I can't be more help.
    Cheers :)
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2018
  3. Willk

    Willk Active Member

    Thanks - can you resend the wiki link?
    Will
     
  4. dangermouse

    dangermouse Well-Known Member

  5. wchnu

    wchnu Duck Season!

    Garanti means guaranteed...may not be part of the name.
     
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  7. Steve56

    Steve56 Hone Hoarder

    It's a French razor, and Jackson being very much un-French, I would guess that's an importer or shop name, maybe barber supply name. It was made in Thiers, the Thiers makers had a number assigned to them, that's what the 383 is. Unfortunately none of my references list that number, so it came later or somehow escaped this record. Thiers-Issard is 69 for example.

    It appears to have a fairly normal length tang, so that makes it I'm guessing 1920 or later, along with it being pretty hollow and the older French razors were usually heavier grinds. In the olden days, thinner razors were framebacks. I'd guess that this is a between-the-wars razor for export to England or North America.

    Yes guaranti means the same as 'warranted' that we see on English/American razors.

    Sorry I couldn't come up with more, and some of it is guessing. Jackson being such a common surname doesn't help.

    Cheers, Steve
     
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  8. Willk

    Willk Active Member

    Thanks - that is good help. I don't suppose you could guess whether this SR is closer to a 1920s, 1950s, 1980s razor though? The fact that Jackson isn't showing up in any prominent google searches tends to substantiate it could be "old" (pre 1950s?). The website http://www.uniclectica.com/misc/manuf.html only shows a "WILLIAM JACKSON & CO" from Sheffield (c. 1850 - 1892). Nothing in France.

    But look at the etching. It looks of something from 1800s - 1920s. However, the handle and tang, as you mentioned, are more 20th century. Here is a close look at the writing and logo: click on the images to get a bigger view or better yet download them (in original resolution).

    https://www.flickr.com/gp/78020500@N04/uyf59B
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2018
  9. Steve56

    Steve56 Hone Hoarder

    Hard to tell, it might be from the '50s but I doubt it. I thought that the scales looked modern but they may have been replaced unless the Thier folk used phillips head screws for pins.

    Cheers, Steve
     
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    Steve56 Hone Hoarder

  11. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    You have a Le Grelot 363. The company was bought out by Thiers Issard.
    363 is the grind or the style of the blade.
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  12. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    DSCN0758b.jpg
    An integer followed by a fraction, identifies the type of blade.
    For example, 41 identifies the blade used in Le Dandy.
     
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