Merkur Futur Clone....My thoughts.

Discussion in 'Safety Razors' started by Rich Daverson, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. Rich Daverson

    Rich Daverson Member

    Upon opening the package that it came in I noticed that the even the box was a clone. The box is exactly like the real thing; only the writing on the outside was different. Mostly written in an Oriental language that I do not know or care to. In English: Ming Shi Shaver 2000S, Sharp adjustable shaver. The package with the razor also included a five pack of Voskhod blades.
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    I've never used the Voskhod blades so I loaded one. Upon taking the top off of the razor I notice that the top piece is very slightly lighter than the original. However; it goes back on tightly and is well balanced. I didn't have to try and adjust the slant of the blade at all.
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    Over all, if you handed one of these clones to me and said "here's a Merkur", I'd likely believe you. The finish is somewhat different, but not bad. The numbers on the adjustment are not colored, they are merely indented. Turning to adjust is WAY easier than the Merkur on this clone, Which can only mean that I'll have to be careful not to adjust it whilst shaving.

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    I haven't shaved with it yet as I only got it this afternoon. But in my humble opinion, if it looks like a duck and quacks....it's a duck.

    Thanks for reading, any questions or feedback is welcome!
    Rich.
     
  2. Eeyore

    Eeyore Well-Known Member

    Nothing wrong with "made in China" in principle, but unless they paid Merkur for it (unlikely), this is just stealing a design from a European manufacturer.

    I'm not blaming you, of course, but the company who manufactures this Merkur copy.
     
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  3. Rich Daverson

    Rich Daverson Member

    Thank you??
     
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  4. Eeyore

    Eeyore Well-Known Member

    Well, how do you feel when Chinese manufacturers copy American products? I feel the same about copying products in which European companies put their R&D time and money.

    Again, I am angry at the Chinese manufacturer, and definitely none of that is directed at you! My sincere apologies when I come across as if I am blaming you for anything. That is certainly not my intention.
     
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  5. Bookworm

    Bookworm Well-Known Member

    If they copy products with no patent or trademark protection, I call it 'doing business'. If they violate international law, then I wish we could get them to stop (They do it to all sorts of things). All you have to do is go back a few years and look at the vintage razors. I have at least _two_ German copies of American (Gillette) razors. I think I have several others, but they aren't labeled as such. The Russian Rubin-1 was a copy of the Gillette black adjustable - the "Black Beauty", and the Slim Adjustable. I saw a French razor on E-Bay that I thought was a mislabeled Gillette, until I looked closer. The case was identical to the Gillette cases, as was the razor - just not the labeling.

    In this case, unless Merkur trademarked the image of the razor, and/or patented the guts of it (and the Chinese copy is the same inside), then there's nothing that can be done. (Trademark is an image, patent is a process/method/structure, and copyright is written)

    So, it's simply how business was, is, and probably will remain being done.
     
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  6. Rich Daverson

    Rich Daverson Member

    Any thoughts on the clone? Or my review? This might not be the forum to wave the flag. I may or may not agree with your rants. That does not change the fact that there is a clone. Can you change that? Can I? No. Simply take it for what it is.
    Thanks.
     
  7. Bookworm

    Bookworm Well-Known Member

    I'm actually looking at the clone on AliExpress. I've been debating for a week or so on whether to pull the trigger on getting it there, and opening an AliExpress account, or paying a bit more and buying it from a US distributor through E-Bay. The reviews on B&B were good, and it looks fascinating to try.
     
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  8. Rich Daverson

    Rich Daverson Member

    I can suggest getting one. I bought mine through E-bay...
     
  9. jimjo1031

    jimjo1031 Well-Known Member

    From what I have read, the Future patent has expired a while back. Also many countries, even European, do not recognize patents from other countries, including the US. Also, there is no such thing as an international patent.
     
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  10. jmudrick

    jmudrick Well-Known Member

    The original patent dates from 1983 and is long expired. There was a minor patent in the 90s also expired.

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  11. Eeyore

    Eeyore Well-Known Member

    My judgement of this Chinese copy may have been a bit harsh then. I still don't feel good about it, to be honest.
     
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  12. Bookworm

    Bookworm Well-Known Member

    If the Merkur were made of brass or stainless steel, I'd be more inclined to buy one at a higher price. For a Zamak device, getting it for a price that you don't mind paying for replacing when (not if) it corrodes or breaks is a good thing.
     
  13. jimjo1031

    jimjo1031 Well-Known Member

    I'm seeing these pop up on Ebay in the $18.00-$20.00 range. There was also an all brass version not long ago. And reviews have been generally positive, although a bit on the aggressive side, but it is adjustable.
     
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  14. Eeyore

    Eeyore Well-Known Member

    I agree that it would be nice when Merkur and Mühle would switch to stainless steel or brass. Looking at the problems Mühle seems to have with the Rocca production, it does not seem to be an easy switch though.
     
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  15. Bookworm

    Bookworm Well-Known Member

    it's a totally different production technique. I believe they're casting zinc, and moving to sintering stainless isn't even close. Casting brass is different from zinc as well - different expansion coefficients, heat ranges, the whole schmear.
     
  16. Shave Fu

    Shave Fu Shavette Sensei

    I think this is also a Futur clone, right?

    "QShave razor"

    "Adjustable handle, designed in Germany", with blade exposure from 1 to 6.

    I like how they say that the handle was designed in Germany. :D
     
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  17. RaZorBurn123

    RaZorBurn123 waiting hardily...............

    Thanks for the solid review!!
     
  18. ninjack

    ninjack Well-Known Member

    It is a Futur clone. I have the Merkur Futur and really love the design and look of it, but don't shave with it too much because even at a setting of 2 or 3 it seems a bit aggressive and not as smooth as my Gillettes. Having said that, I always have a very smooth face after a three pass shave with it.
     
  19. HolyRollah

    HolyRollah BaconLord Staff Member

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    Reviews I've read on this clone inform me this razor was comparable to the original (with a few idiosyncrasies) at a considerably lower cost. If one wishes to see & feel how a Futur-styled razor performs, the cost of entry is low compared to a new Merkur.
    I enjoyed shaving with the Merkur Futur—probably my favorite adjustable razor that was very aggressive at open settings.
     
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  20. jmudrick

    jmudrick Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing it's virtually identical in specifications, varying in materias. I doubt the manufacturer would go to the trouble to re-engineer a perfectly good razor out of patent given its retail price point. Obviously some change was made in the adjustment mechanism, presumably a cost saving measure.

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