Farewell to Mitchell's Wool Fat (MWF reformulation)

Discussion in 'Shave Soaps' started by PLANofMAN, May 24, 2023.

  1. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, right?

    I have no intention of using it solely, though it is a soap I regularly use at least 3 times a week.
     
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  2. Primotenore

    Primotenore missed opera tunity

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    You should consider a 3017, Ryan. I happen to know of a thread on TSD. Personally, I have 3017'd 3 pucks of MWF. Disclaimer, I 3017'd them in various stages of their remaining weight.
    We'll coach you through a puck of MWF. :happy088:
     
  3. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    I've gone through at least two pucks of MWF, using them exclusively. I think I've done the same with a B&M puck and one SV puck. I tend to stick with something for a while before I change it up. In total, I think I've used about five pucks of MWF before this reformulation, and I'm a firm believer that MWF performs best when used regularly, so once a puck is going it gets used frequently.
     
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  4. chevyguy

    chevyguy Well-Known Member

    Just like Williams, keep it hydrated by use and it work's great

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  5. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    Kent is now out of tallow pucks, so the cheap and easy source of MWF has now dried up.

    The last couple hundred were from batch 2375, which must be 25 years old at this point. They must have been very well packed and stored, before being forgotten somewhere in Kent's storeroom(s). My brother-in-law says they smell just as strong as his other Kent pucks.
     
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  6. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    ...and Kent added more pucks. I don't know where they keep finding them.
     
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  7. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    I've been doing quite a bit of research into this, and I'm curious as to why you think so? It's said to be a low risk/low harm ingredient.

    Let's get the nasty stuff out of the way first.
    It's made by combining formaldehyde and sodium cyanide. Which are both carcinogens, but the final product is not a carcinogen, and never breaks down into one. Some animal studies have found Tetrasodium EDTA have reproductive effects, however, only at very high doses--because it's able to bind with metals, high doses are thought to pull zinc out of the body, causing deficiency and thus illness. This is not a risk when used in cosmetic items and only shows fetal reproductive effects at levels that are outwardly toxic to the mother.

    Now the better stuff.

    It helps to prevent the formation of mold, yeast, or bacteria in the soap. This acts as a preservative both in dry storage and while the soap is being used.

    It binds to hard water ions, such as magnesium, iron, and calcium, softening the water used to make lather, this increases and improves the lather, and also prevents the formation of soap scum.

    It acts as a skin penetrant, helping other products in the soap penetrate the skin, like lanolin. It is important to note that while it assists other elements of the soap to penetrate deeply into the skin, it doesn't do so itself.

    As long as you aren't eating the stuff, it doesn't seem to be so bad, and for the things it does, it doesn't seem to be an easily replaceable all-in-one ingredient, without negatively affecting the soap in some way.
     
  8. Enrico

    Enrico Popcorn


    Well the short of it (I'm not a big writer).

    If I use it in any form I react badly; ulcers and other skin lesions.

    "As long as you aren't eating the stuff"

    Manufacturer are putting it in more foods than you'd realize. For just a start look at your mayonnaise and 90% of you salad dressings / salad oils.

    It is being put in hand soaps, laundry soaps, hand and body lotions, shampoos, sun protection and the list goes on.

    It is very unnecessary prior to the 2000's its use was negligible then through the roof. I've never had bar soap go bad; now it's in nearly all bar soaps. And before you say "not in my hand soap ..... it goes by multiple name.

    Quite simply it is very easy to be over exposed to it when it's in so many products. Every liquid soap you come in contact with in the public contains it.

    I make my own laundry soap to avoid it, only use spray sun protection, and purchase hand soaps that don't contain it and bring it with me to work so I can avoid the soap containing it at work.

    I enjoy Stirling Soap co. due that they don't use it. Nivea is also a nice product.

    :)
     
  9. Shaver X

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    Oh wow, that's a bummer. Just goes to show that we can't count on any particular product being around forever. Even if we hoard like pack rats, sooner or later the product will be all used up. I hope the reformulation didn't screw up the soap.

    Those two formulations are awfully close, nearly identical. Did Mitchell's Wool Fat outsource their production to whoever makes the Truefitt & Hill Sandalwood soap?
     
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  10. PLANofMAN

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    Mitchell's has always had their shaving soap made by an outside manufacturer. It's possible the manufacturer also makes T&H's soaps. The formula is also similar to Claus Porto's Musgo Real too, but I think we can safely say that particular soap is made in Portugal.

    The new formula isn't bad, and it's still a decent soap. Cartridge and DE users will hardly notice any difference. Straight razor users won't be happy with the reduced slickness of the new formula, but most people will likely accept the trade off, given the new formula lathers easier.

    It will be interesting to see what happens, not only with MWF, but Trufitt and Hill, and Musgo Real, in six years when the draconian E.U. and U.K. restrictions on palm oil use kick in. Will it cause a return to tallow? No one knows.
     
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  11. Rahul

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    Late post!

    Via this thread i found that MWF Tallow production is ceasing. Also got the shocker that Tabac Tallow is also finishing

    Ordered and received a bowl and 5 refills each of Tallow based MWF and Tabac in May in India. Tabac got delivered to a friend in Australia. Will receive it soon.

    I won't use the 5 years old bowls of MWF and Tabac which I incidentally found while cleaning the store... Screenshot_20230903_170858_Photos.jpg
     
  12. Rahul

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    A Painful Day today...

    My almost 10 year old Rab ( Robert A Becker) scuttle slipped out of my hands while cleaning and broke.

    Bought it when I had just started wetshaving...

    Never used it much but it had an emotional value...

    Tried to search Mr Becker on net but he is nowhere to be found. He used to sell on ebay by name of "Feats of Clay"...

    Excellent Quality yet economically priced... 20230903_163859_copy_808x1078.jpg 20230903_164247.jpg 20230903_164323_copy_803x1071.jpg
     
  13. Keithmax

    Keithmax Breeds Pet Rocks

    That is a sad day.
     
  14. Michael_W

    Michael_W Well-Known Member

    That's a real shame. By any chance do you have the PAA moonscape or dreamscape scuttle? Similar concept of design, so may be a usable replacement.
     
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  15. Rahul

    Rahul Member

    No. That was my first scuttle and the only one I owned.
     
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  16. Enrico

    Enrico Popcorn

    You need a copper one like one of these

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    :)
     
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  17. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    That sucks. Pretty much all of the original scuttle makers have ceased operations. There's a few new ones on the market, but the old ones from the glory days of the wet shaving forums (10+ years ago) have been gone for years.

    Edit: I take it back. Georgetown Pottery still makes scuttles.
     
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  18. chevyguy

    chevyguy Well-Known Member

    Julie, at Dirty Bird is still making scuttles. Anymore I try to keep shaving as unbreakable as possible. Just remember vintage, and ceramic items are fragile, and easily broken.

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  19. Primotenore

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