Gillette Double Ring Owners Club

Discussion in 'Safety Razors' started by Jayaruh, Nov 8, 2022.

  1. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    Usually tightened too much.

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  2. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    Possibly,
    but I am familiar with the cracks
    being caused by press fitted plugs into nonadjustable Gillettes,
    where any stress from tightening doesn't transfer to the barrel.

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    Also, foreign clone coppies of Gillettes, don't seem to duplicate this problem,
    even though it is very common in genuine Gillettes.

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    Last edited: Mar 19, 2024
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  3. brit

    brit in a box

    i scored an NOS 1920's old type with case,shipping box,ther works,and the handle was split end to end.
     
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  4. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    And now, to make it on topic, I go back to the Gillette double ring.
    And to make it scientific, I offer a theory and its prediction.
    If the double ring plug, barrel, mismatch is the problem,
    then I would expect small cracks at that end of handle
    in most Gillette double rings.
    Here's mine:

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  5. brit

    brit in a box

    i have seen many new improved ie bostonian type razors and new deluxe criterion with similar splits at the head end of the razor.most likely from pressed in plug also..evidence of overtightening without a blade present on the knob end also..
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  6. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    Just a little common sense here. If it were just the plugs doing the splitting, then we wouldn't see the flaring of the ends. The flaring is caused by over tightening, If it were just the plugs you wouldn't see the cracking continuing down the barrel. If it were just the plugs, you would see cracking in NOS sets, also in other sets that are prone to splitting.
    Just a poor design, with the handle prone to slipping farther onto the plug, hitting the end, causing it to split. Perhaps if the manufacturer had epoxied, or soldered the end pieces to the handle, there wouldn't be any splitting.
     
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  7. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

    The splitting was caused by a mismatch between the 'plug' OD being slightly larger than the 'tube' ID. Pair that with a harder, brittle brass alloy, and you have a recipe for split tubes.

    One of the rare instances where Gillette flubbed a razor design. My guess is it took a decade or more for the problem to reveal itself, which is why we see the occasional NOS razor with cracks and splits.
     
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  8. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    It's noticeable that the foreign copy clones don't have that problem.
     
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  9. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    Hmm, I.don't remember seeing NOS ones split. Any links to this, or pics?
     
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  10. brit

    brit in a box

    i had purchased one some time back,1920s 3 piece old type,gold pocket set,handle split end to end,ebay has long since ditched the pics.i parted it out and reused the case for something else..
     
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  11. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

    There's some threads with them on B&B. I'd have to look them up.

    Edit: But yeah, split. Razor still sealed in the original cellophane.
     
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  12. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

    Germans didn't generally screw up machined or stamped metal stuff; even pre-world wars.
     
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  13. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

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  14. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

    Didn't know the French also made a knockoff. I would think the the number of teeth would be a bigger clue than the lack of cracks. :) (also works on German copies).

    Leresche, I'm assuming? Nice razor.
     
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  15. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    Thank you.

    The number of teeth definitively makes it not Gillette.
    Also, the fact that the double rings look like they were cut into the top plug on a lathe
    while the Gillette original looks like the double ring part
    was formed by rollers at the lathe.

    I remember Leresche being my best guess, but it was so long ago I can't explain my train of thought.

    The box shows a strong Gillette double ring influence,
    but all of the writing has worn to illegibility.

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  16. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    It seems another Double Ring is for sale. It looks well worn, and needs plating.
     
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  17. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    There's also another other one, but it's rather much nicer and comes with instructions.
    I'll be watching, and not bidding.
     
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  18. DrStrange

    DrStrange Well-Known Member

    US $710.00
    if we're talking about the same one.
     
  19. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    That's the one. Needs new plating.
     
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  20. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    The other one is NOS. It should go for a stupid high price.
    Don't worry, I will pass on that one too. Happy bidding.
     
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