Where does the hair come from?

Discussion in 'The Brush' started by ZackPomerleau, May 31, 2012.

  1. ZackPomerleau

    ZackPomerleau Active Member

    Am I supporting animal slaughtering when I buy a brush? I hate the idea of buying one and having it be made from a huge farm made for that purpose. At least, not when they use the animal in full. Is there any retailers that sell ones that would be a bit more "kosher" I suppose? Or maybe vegan is the word?
     
  2. Ray Settanta

    Ray Settanta Well-Known Member

    My understanding is that most badger hair comes from China where it is considered to be a pest. Horse hair comes from the manes and tails of horses. So, to my knowledge, the only "humane" hair is the horsehair. Many companies also offer synthetic brushes.
     
  3. Smott

    Smott Chew your shave. Slowly.

    I've really enjoyed my Muhle 31K256 Silvertip Fibre brush! It's a synthetic, and I think it's safe to say that synthetic brushes have come a long way. IMHO, it would be a good choice for someone with your concerns.
     
  4. Neolithium

    Neolithium I am Canadian, eh

    Badger - Some come from badger farming, some from pest kills.
    Boar - Bristles from the pigs which would be killed anyway.
    Horsehair - Made from the grooming process.
    Synthetic - Everyone friendly, not made from any animal products unless you get a special handle of your choosing.

    Badger doesn't really contribute to animal slaughter though, as they're killed as pests to begin with in Asia. Boar, the pigs are killed anyway for food, so you're just using up extra leftovers. Horsehair brushes are like you using their sweepings from under a barber chair LOL.
     
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  5. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Eccentric Razor Collector Staff Member

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    Badger meat is considered a delicacy in many parts of China. If I remember correctly I believe parts of badgers are also used in traditional Chinese medicine. Like Ray said, it is also considered a pest animal, much like coyotes, racoons and opossums here in the U.S.A. The animal would be killed regardless, so you need not think that an animal was killed just so you could rub it's fur on your face. All modern Badger brushes use fur sourced from Asia. If this is a subject you feel very strongly about, you may want to avoid vintage badger brushes, which were made with American and European badger fur. Those animals were killed for their fur. In America at least, badger populations have recovered enough to remove them from the protected species list in many states and you can get badger hunting/trapping licenses in some states.

    The H.I.S. brush recently got excellent reviews here in the Shave Den. Send a message to GDCarrington, he is the den's expert on synthetic brushes.
     
  6. ZackPomerleau

    ZackPomerleau Active Member

    I don't feel so horrible now! I have nothing against the killing of animals if it is for the correct reasons of living, and if this is just a means of using the left overs, then that's better than nothing at all.
     
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  7. Sara-s

    Sara-s This Pun for Hire

    I am no expert on synthetic brushes, but they do have an environmental disadvantage. They are not biodegradable and, since nothing lasts forever, a worn-out synthetic brush knot will eventually just take up space in a landfill, indefinitely.

    BTW, I see your point about preferring to use an luxury animal product that comes from an animal that was not killed JUST for that purpose.
     
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  8. DLP

    DLP Well-Known Member

    :signs011: I've been thinking the same thing about the synthetic brushes.
     
  9. Neolithium

    Neolithium I am Canadian, eh

    I wonder if I can start badger farming and just use grooming to get hair. Then again I'd have a farm full of butt naked badgers...that's...disturbing.
     
  10. Smott

    Smott Chew your shave. Slowly.

    Actually, nylon is recyclable, particularly nylon fibers like those used in synthetic brushes. There are facilities which can repurpose the nylon for a variety of other products. Now I'm assuming that most synthetics are produced with nylon fibers?? Anyway, just FYI.
     
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  11. mark_s

    mark_s Active Member

    But so funny, you almost have to do it.
     
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  12. Sara-s

    Sara-s This Pun for Hire

    Good point, but it depends where you live. Around here, no one recycles nylon, so it would indeed end up in a landfill. I would say a person should do some checking in their own area.
     
  13. Smott

    Smott Chew your shave. Slowly.

    Well, Sara, and more relevant still is the fact that very few of us would think to recycle it when we were done with it. So in a practical sense, I'm realizing you're probably more right—most of the time it will end up in a landfill.
     
  14. Sara-s

    Sara-s This Pun for Hire

    Also a good point. The reduced environmental impact is among the things I like about DE shaving. Blades can be recycled (when my blade bank is full) and handles can be re-knotted. The products I make, like shaving soap & pre-shave oil go into re-usable containers. And the badger, boar or horse hair from an old knot will eventually degrade.
     
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  15. Sunflake

    Sunflake Well-Known Member

    Just think of the brush as not wasting the part of a animal that would have been discarded anyway, kinda green shaving. It's true.
     
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  16. Sara-s

    Sara-s This Pun for Hire

    I agree completely.
     
  17. Sunflake

    Sunflake Well-Known Member

    All in your point of view for sure.
     
  18. Mitch

    Mitch Active Member

    I love my badger hair brushes but I have in the past used a synthetic from Omega. I thought it would be garbage, but it actually had a very nice feel so if you are very concerned about it there are some good options that way I think.
     
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  19. ZackPomerleau

    ZackPomerleau Active Member

    I just don't like the idea of killing animals for one purpose. I am one who believes in using the WHOLE animal, so in a way it's a good thing most definitely.
     
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  20. Sunflake

    Sunflake Well-Known Member

    Thank goodness (for us) that the badger is killed as a pest and is overly abundant in China so we can use the hair for brushes. I agree as well. The same for boar hair.
     

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