I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you did not, but others reading the thread may not, that’s why I posted that. It’s apparent from your posts you would know! I should have worded it better.
I agree with you on long guns for home defense. All mine are for range shooting. I also have a Mosin Nagant, I love shooting it. Not a match winner, but fun to shoot.
H&K 9MM or a Browning 1911-380 which ever I happen to have close at hand. If I want to make more noise a Remington 870 with 00 buck. I pray I never have to use any of them protecting the home. However it is a crazy world we live in these days.
Right tool for the right job... Friday night was a home invasion by a 40 ft spruce tree. Just finished dissecting him and will finish getting rid of the evidence shortly.
You must REALLY like house fires and reconstruction. I've torn down and helped build enough houses that I don't want to be punching random holes in the walls if I can help it. Besides - if you can't see what you're shooting, you shouldn't be shooting. This is what gets a lot of hunters in trouble in East Texas every year. "Look, a deer!" *bang bang* "Hey! You shot my cow!" I'd bet @DaltonGang knows a lot of those kind of stories that he can pass along
Ahh - I see. You had quoted my section about going around the corner, which was about the long guns - so I assumed you were talking about using a long gun to shoot through the walls rather than risk it being taken out of your hands. The CZ-52 was more facetious than anything else. With the rounds in it, two brick walls would barely slow it down. They won't let me shoot it at the indoor ranges because they think it'll punch through even the rifle backstops. Makes you wonder why the military bothers with them for handguns.
I also quoted your shooting through walls line. Facetious, or Forum Warrior? Difficult to tell from your post, but funny how you jumped me for quoting your own words.
Facetious - here's where you ended the quote. Thus my confusion. That's it. I figured you were doing a tongue in cheek about the reason that a shotgun would work well inside a home - which leads to carpentry.
Educate yourself.... AR15 chambered in 5.56x45 with a sixteen inch barrel and a collapsible butt stock is the ultimate home defense weapon. No one in their right mind would use what you just wrote.
I also have a CZ 52. Big, and bulky grip, that shoots a very hot bottleneck round, that has been said to be armour piercing. Not armour piercing like rifle rounds, but body armour piercing, in its fully loaded surplus military load. The stuff we buy here, unless it's the surplus ammo, isn't armour piercing. I bought mine back in the 90's when they first started to import them, around $100. I also bought a case of the surplus ammo. Hot, very very hot round. Very fun to shoot.
Same here - spam can of Romanian surplus. I've been told straight out that if you get the Czech surplus ammo, do _not_ shoot it in anything but the CZ-52. It's a machine pistol load, so hotter than the 'normal' Tokarev load. It's a silly weapon to keep around for anything other than fun shooting. I'm not planning on finding someone with class 3 body armour against which to test it. Do you get the feeling that it tries to rotate counter clockwise while firing? All three of mine seem to do that as part of the recoil. (Really accurate though. 75+ yards knocking over those tiny iron pigs at the range)
Luckily it spared me any real damage. It fell across the driveway, got my post lamp, wheel barrow, a couple trash cans, and pulled the gutter off my garage in a spot. It could have been much worse.
Yes it is. Good eye! I have a couple of regrets as well. My M19 was stolen and I replaced it with a 586. I like the 19 better. I lost my 4” M15 in a divorce and still miss that gun
