A quicker Boar break in ?

Discussion in 'The Brush' started by Doryferon, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. Doryferon

    Doryferon Well-Known Member

    Suavizar las puntas de una brocha de cerda
    "Smoothing the tips of a brush bristle"



    Has anyone try it ?
    Is it appropriate or this will damage the tips ?
     
  2. swarden43

    swarden43 "It's your shave. Enjoy it your way."©

    In my opinion, doing anything other than just using it in the manner for which it was designed is asinine.
     
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  3. battle.munky

    battle.munky Has the menthol.munky on his back!

    Yeah, it only takes a good 10 or so cycles to notice it softening. I wouldn't risk it even on the cheapest boar.
     
  4. 178-bplatoon

    178-bplatoon Well-Known Member

    I don't think that doing that will hurt the brush, but I don't neccessarily think it will help soften it either..:)
     
  5. Williams Warrior

    Williams Warrior Well-Known Member

    I don't see how that would help break in the brush at all. When it comes to the piggies time and patience is required.
     
  6. GDCarrington

    GDCarrington Burma Shave

    Gents, this is a process that Semogue (and some other boar manufacturers but not all) uses in their manufacturing process, albeit with a lathe and iron rubbing bit rather than by hand.
    Please look at time sequence 0:43 in the link below (takes you to a video) in which this process in being performed at Semogue. The end seen does not cut, but uses friction to induce and accelerate a process called flagging.

    http://imagensdemarca.sapo.pt/atualidade/barbear-a-moda-antiga-com-a-semogue/

    Boar brushes are pronounced in how they flag. To have a flagged tip is one that has split into thinner shafts to make the tips softer. Natural painting brushes (boar) have a process similar to this applied for well over 150 years that allows the brush tips to hold more paint and to paint in a smoother fashion. Here is a video showing the same process for paintbrushes.



    Now not all boar hairs are the same in how quickly they flag. I have noted through experience in handling many different boar knots from different manufacturers that some knots require more flagging effort than others. Some users going the "all natural approach" of letting each shave and drying sequence to do this work on certain boar brushes have noted as long as a year before the brush is broken in enough. Others state that the same brush straight out of the box is totally satisfactory. That is personal preference which is subjective. Flagging however can be easily seen visually so the the level of flagging is a measurable by sizing of the end of the brush, not due to personal preference (subjective measurement).

    What this individual (in the OPs posting) is doing is continuing a process that the end user rarely sees or thinks about when buying and using certain brushes. It will not harm the brush. The process just continues the flagging process. Eventually however, the tips are fully flagged which means that the hair ends cannot separate further and the brush will stay at this flag level throughout its life cycle.

    Now you know the secret as to why Semogue brushes are desired by many users over other brushes.



    P.S. I discovered this while doing a large amount of research into synthetics and integrated some of the information into my article series:
    http://sharpologist.com/2012/10/synthetic-fibers-part-5.html
    Also, thanks to Teiste Brito for making me aware of the Semogue video.
     
  7. Doryferon

    Doryferon Well-Known Member

    Thank you guys
    Great video GDC !

    ;)
     
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  8. Slipperyjoe

    Slipperyjoe Rusty Metal Tetanus

    I did have some success with a similar process to what was done in the op's video and the brush survived. In the end though, time and usage is still probably the most reliable method for break in IMO...
     
  9. Erik Redd

    Erik Redd Lizabeth, baby, I'm comin' to join ya.

    Interesting, and got me searching for videos

     
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  10. GDCarrington

    GDCarrington Burma Shave

    Ah, but there are other tricks to the trade than this one. Remember, three functions, water, friction and drying. Time can be reduced on two of the three, friction and drying, since the hair will absorb water at a given amount to saturation, but one must be careful in trying to reduce the elements or other issues can occur outside of the splitting of hairs.
     
  11. GDCarrington

    GDCarrington Burma Shave

     
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  12. Doryferon

    Doryferon Well-Known Member

    I will do the Suavizar in one of my Omega Boars so the the difference
    It's not a bad thing to be "uneasy" sometimes.
     
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  13. Robzilla

    Robzilla Well-Known Member

    Wow. I sure have learned a lot reading this thread. Thanks guys. PS, now I know why badger is so expensive! That's a labour intensive process.
     
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  14. Doryferon

    Doryferon Well-Known Member

    As we say in Greece: "He who searches, finds"

    ;)
     
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  15. Slipperyjoe

    Slipperyjoe Rusty Metal Tetanus

    Hmmm..food for thought..:signs002: Didn't consider a wetting and drying cycle in the equation..just raw horse power..or in this case pork power. And in the softening quest, I'm afraid I really got enthusiastic and put the brush through an other then gentle workout. The poor guy ended up kinda stressed..he was bristling the whole time..:D
     
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  16. Bristle Me

    Bristle Me Insufficient

    Maybe I've been lucky.
    When I get a new boar brush, I lather it and also rinse it vigorously in my hand
    for several days before putting it to my face.
    Usually, the bigger brushes start to break in quicker, but the hand lather
    process usually helps the small/shorter loft brushes after about a week.
     
  17. battle.munky

    battle.munky Has the menthol.munky on his back!

    I just use it after i give it a good initial shampooing to just rinse the hog smell. They break in fine that way and it isn't like they hurt you during the break-in or anything.
     
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  18. swarden43

    swarden43 "It's your shave. Enjoy it your way."©

    Watching the video, I noticed something - this brush is already broke in. See how worn the finish is around the collar. I'm thinking this is just combing to prevent tangling, not anything to do to hasten the breaking in.

    Still think it's unnecessary.
     
  19. Jayaruh

    Jayaruh The Cackalacky House Pet

    Supporting Vendor
    I have one Semogue 1305 brush that is my favorite. It was great right out of the box. It has backbone and is very soft. It is a great face-lathering brush. They are doing something right.
     
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  20. Neolithium

    Neolithium I am Canadian, eh

    I think the tips of my Owners Club is about as good as it will get and my 610 is extremely close with just my regular use. Next on my list is an 830 but still feel no need to just use it to enjoy the breakin experience.
     

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