I had a chance last night to put this new Apache to work on a razor that was a bit harsh (one of my C-Mons) on the face. I used the DMT to lap the Apache first. Any slurry raised in the process (relatively little) was rinsed off. I did a series of circles and X-strokes (approximately 35-50 strokes each) with just water; no slurry. Good audible feedback and a nice tactile feel from the stone. Stropped line & leather; shave. Very keen edge (still), but very comfortable. It was only a 2-pass shave, but overall, very enjoyable with none of the harshness from the edge I had felt before using this razor. So my initial foray with this stone was promising.