I for one am in love with what the Apache does to an edge. I am getting the closest and smoothest shaves I have ever been able to achieve. Two things come to mind - 1) the blades I have used the apache on do a better job on the first pass. After just one pass I am almost BBS. 2) I have a very tough beard an the chin and lower jawline on my neck have always been extremely hard to get close. I have made over 6 passes with a DE or a SR and have never been able to get it smooth. And for sure could never go upwards at the chin without butchering myself. Now it is easy and I am getting those areas bbs with no blood.