Corona Virus

Discussion in 'The Chatterbox' started by Robert1955, Jan 31, 2020.

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  1. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    It seems the press is wanting a Pandemic, desperately.
    I dont see this being that pandemi.
     
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  2. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    True.
     
  3. Chuck Naill

    Chuck Naill Well-Known Member

    Each one of us has such a narrow perspective that we must depend on those who actually have the job of investigating and documenting. This is the weakness of social media, everybody who think they know something when they don't.

    As Isaac Asimov wrote, "“Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.”

    For the sake of our own well being, we need to learn who to trust and who not to follow. Someone who just tells you what you want to think or here is not your friend. The press is not evil and a free press an essential part of a free society. Stop disparaging them. If you only listen to one source and you don't self educated, you will invariably not be informed. Surely we are smart enough to listen to someone who is not saying what we want to hear and evaluate objectively. Or, are we just that dumb?
     
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  4. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    A variety of sources have been cited all over this thread, by several posters. Most of them are shared with a believe-it-or-don't caveat or "if accurate" disclaimer. Lots of opinions too, as this is a discussion forum. This is as things should be.
    I seriously don't understand your complaint.
     
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  5. Redfisher

    Redfisher Doesn't celebrate National Donut Day

    Probably best to keep your immune system in good shape by whatever means works for you. Pneumonia vaccination is a good idea. I had one a couple of years ago on the advise of my doctor.
    This thing could play out in several different scenarios and our country (US) will need clear leadership. I feel we are lacking in that regard. Something that is disturbing to me was a statement by the administration that this is a "hoax" by the democrats to undermine the president. (sound of my head exploding).
     
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  6. Chuck Naill

    Chuck Naill Well-Known Member

    No complaint. I’m just commenting same as you. I will add that someone said the press wants a pandemic and you agreed. What is the substance which you base your agreement? If you research what the infectious disease science is telling us and the CDC is reporting, it is not the press who is wanting something, but something that is yet unknown as to how it is transmitted in the communities or how to effectively plan against.

    The current head is politicizing COV19 as if it were a dark plot meant to disrupt the presidency.
     
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  7. Shaver X

    Shaver X Well-Known Member

    I think the news outlets are deliberately stoking fears to increase their audience. Greater audience translates to greater ad revenues. From what I can see, some people are panicking because they are being illogical, and blindly trusting unreliable and irresponsible news sources. Hopefully, they will regain control over their emotions. Corona virus is not the bubonic plague, smallpox or the Spanish Flu, and the local TV station are not medical professionals.

    Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate
    A 98 percent chance of survival on average is not bad at all.
     
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  8. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    I'm a believer in fairly heavy coconut oil intake.

    Here's some duct tape for your head ;) : he didn't say that the virus is a hoax. He said that certain ones are politicizing Corona, and that is their new hoax.

    Quote:

    I shortened but you can find the complete text or the full clip easily, not the 5 second edit going around.
     
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  9. Shaver X

    Shaver X Well-Known Member

    We choose who we depend on for news. Which is better, an increasingly sensationalist, profit-driven mass media or a peer-reviewed scientific journal authored by experts who actually know what they are talking about?

    This:

    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30091-6/fulltext (information)

    vs. this:

    https://www.cnn.com/ (The world is going to end and we are all gonna die)
     
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  10. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    No, you are on record as clearly having a problem with some of what's being said here. But that's okay. I'm not even curious what it is. Have a nice day.
     
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  11. Chuck Naill

    Chuck Naill Well-Known Member

    These are not remotely related. Cruise ships and communities are not the same. If you want to think the CNN link said "we are all going to die", that's your business, but it's not an objective appraisal. It's more related to confirmation bias.
     
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  12. Chuck Naill

    Chuck Naill Well-Known Member

    Unless it's your relative or close associate. The problem is the unknowns so that it is too soon to speculate what the mortality rate is or might be. I would personally choose to err on the side of being too concerned that not enough. Apparently that's what the people at the CDC are doing.

    We have people and groups who refuse to be inoculated with the MMR and influenza vaccines using baseless speculations.
     
  13. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

  14. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    Nothing guarantees ratings like panic. The media has a long history of manufacturing it where it didn't actually exist. That's why a lot of us tuned out long ago and, as you put it, choose where we get our news, with none of it coming from ANY cable channel.
     
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  15. gssixgun

    gssixgun At this point in time...

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    WA state dropping the ball, First death on US soil and no idea yet where it came from

    That is a scary thought CA OR WA three states with possibly the worst Governors in a situation like this all have Community Outbreaks


    Yippeee

    Please keep your feet and hands inside the car don't try and exit until the ride comes to a complete stop !!!!
     
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  16. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    They are precisely the same for the duration of the cruise, shared ventilation belowdecks and all.
     
  17. Chuck Naill

    Chuck Naill Well-Known Member

    The issue is how the virus spreads, which is till being studied. It is why diminishing the seriousness of COV19 as a media fabrication is irrational. Someone else said it was and you agreed. Then you got upset and wished me a good day. Which is it? Do you want to have a discussion or do you want to believe the current head?
     
  18. gssixgun

    gssixgun At this point in time...

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    I am just REALLY glad I ordered my new Face Mask Filters and Nitrile gloves for the shop, a few weeks ago before the rush :)

    I sound cool like Darth Vader too

    [​IMG]


    Hmmmmm Maybe I should get out one of those Tyvex suits I bought for staining the fence a few years back and go to Wal-Mart That could be fun :D
     
  19. Shaver X

    Shaver X Well-Known Member

    The CNN link did not literally say we are all going to die, but they are doing their level best to stoke fears and create panic. It is irresponsible, but profitable. At for-profit media outlets, $$$ comes first. Regardless, reason serves the general public much better than hand-wringing and out of control emotions.

    Thirty years ago, most media outlets had a few competitors. That applies to TV stations, radio stations, newspapers, magazines, and all the rest. After cable TV became very widespread, now the TV stations had dozens of competitors. Competition became much more intense, and many smaller, local stations suffered as a result. Enter the Internet, and now all these media outlets are competing with one another, and also with new media outlets. The incredibly fierce competition has led to the very marked decline of newspapers, with radio and TV also greatly impacted. Have you looked at any magazines lately? Most are very thin indeed, almost pamphlets. The result is that old school media outlets are desperately trying to survive. They are increasingly willing to resort to any means to stay afloat.

    The Internet allows voices to be heard that would otherwise be silenced or go unnoticed. The downside is that it gives fools and experts the same level of credibility.

    The CDC? If you mean the one at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html, there is cause for concern, but not panic. The same would apply to the flu. If the problem is unknowns and it is to soon to speculate, then why are people speculating and freaking out? Unreasoned fear just makes people look silly, it won't affect coronavirus one bit.

    That is another example of unreasoning fear being counterproductive. Superstition and guesswork are poor substitutes for science and logic.
     
  20. gorgo2

    gorgo2 geezerhood

    True! and even knowing that, we're still better off now than the days of being spoonfed by the Ministry of Truth networks (terrestrial and cable) with no real alternatives.
     
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