Now i’m Thinking about an 8k! 8 K finisher! You have set the bar high for us mortals... something to shoot for! I wasn’t being persistent in my questioning just wanted to make sure we are talking about he same stone. Yep coe stones are same as mine. I wasn’t aware there was a name change, I only got mine in January/ February. I’m disappointed you didn’t like the now dota creek....always good to hear a pro opinion on these things.... I ended up finishing a few edges on the ultra fine ( now gray polisher), which previously was giving me issues as a finisher. But revisited today and got fine edges ... for me.