Honing question

Discussion in 'Straight Razors' started by Suhrim21, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    Ok so I have a jnat coti and thuringian. I can get razors shave ready off the coti and jnat. The thurni though I cannot get a shave ready edge. Is there a trick to thurnis that I should be aware of. Basically my edge seems just barely better than the king 6k I have after the thurni. It is lapped and smooth so I know that's not the issue. Currently the only thing I can get a decent edge on with the thurni is my Japanese kitchen knives. They don't need to be as precise as a razor has to be.

    I know I'm still learning and on the coti and jnat after stropping it will cut hairs on my arm about halfway up the hair shaft. So I know I still have a ways to go before I can even consider myself proficient in honing razors. But as I see it the best way to learn is to use what you hone. Eventually you will get frustrated with sub par shaves and figure out what you are doing wrong.
     
  2. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    Pics of the razors in question??
     
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  3. Steve56

    Steve56 Well-Known Member

    What is your progression with the Thuri?
     
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  4. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    The razors I tried on the thurni I ended up using the coti or jnat. So pics won't help unfortunately. Next razor I hone I will try the thurni again and take pics.

    Progression on thurni king 1k/6k then thurni with slurry and keep diluting until clean water.
     
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  5. Leclec13

    Leclec13 Well-Known Member

    We like pictures!
    I also like Japanese kitchen knives, what you got?
    What razor were you having issues with?

    I have no experiences with thuri, but I saw where a razor was finished under running water even under water for finer edge , with stones from previously would not previously perform.
     
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  6. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    I just got a cheap bokashi set of knives. Figured while learning to hone Japanese kitchen knives I should start with a cheaper set. They are vg-10 core so I didn't go so cheap as to have crap steel. I didn't want to get a too notch set and screw them up trying to learn how to hone properly.

    I tried an ERN and a George wostenholm ixl or something like that.

    I will try using it under running water see if that makes a difference.
     
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  7. gssixgun

    gssixgun At this point in time...

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    The Thuringen ???

    Is this a Vintage Labeled stone ?? of one of the newer mined ones available on some of the knife sites???
     
  8. Leclec13

    Leclec13 Well-Known Member

    have you checked thuri' against a straight edge?
     
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  9. Billyfergie

    Billyfergie The Scottish Ninja

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    Check its Not a MST Muller So Called Thuri...They have Been Discussed in Many Forums...Some are Around the Mid Grit Stone Mark Apparently...Many have Been Banded about & its Said they are a Hit & Miss Stone that Dont Compare to Vintage Ones..I have Never Used One Myself...;)

    There is No Secret to Using a Proper Thuringian in My Experience..They Can Range from 10 K to around 17 K in My Humble Opinion..I Have Two Escher Thuris around 17 K as Easy to Use as Synthetics..In My Hands Anyway..:)

    Billy..:chores016:
     
  10. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    The stone was given to me by another member of another thread. I was told it was a thurni. Once I figure out how to take pics on my phone that I can upload I will upload some pics of it.
     
  11. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    It's definitely not a labeled thurni
     
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  12. gssixgun

    gssixgun At this point in time...

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    Okay let's take it a step farther

    Here is the inherent problem with Naturals, "They are by their very nature, NATURAL" this means that one rock just 10 feet apart from another may or may not have the same characteristics.
    We can delve deeper and talk about inclusions and Toxic layers too
    The person that sent you the Stone is your best source of info, ask him how he was getting the best results.
    I can give you generalities of how I use MY Thuringens but honestly, there is a difference in performance and usage of just my Blue/Green Escher compared to my German Black

    But in general, you get to a Shaving Sharp edge then introduce the Thuri to the edge using a light slurry and dilute as you go, some like the Escher likes a little slurry left on as I finish, where my Black needs a clean water finish

    I hope that helps and doesn't confuse even more
     
  13. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    Here are pics of the stone I was told was a thurni.


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  14. Billyfergie

    Billyfergie The Scottish Ninja

    Always Hard to Tell with Pics..BUT...That Doesn't Look Like a Finishing Stone to Me..Could be Talkin Crud of Course..:rofl:

    Billy..
     
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  15. Steve56

    Steve56 Well-Known Member

    Thinking the same thing - but with naturals ya never really know until you try.
     
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  16. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    To me it definitely does not feel as smooth as the jant. I really would like to figure out exactly what it is and a rough grit level. Anyone very knowledgeable that would let me send it to them to be able to tell me what it is. It would have to be after I get working. Which hopefully will be soon. Second interview with the company is tomorrow.
     
  17. DaltonGang

    DaltonGang Ol' Itchy Whiskers

    Is the slurry stone made of the same stone? If so, send it to someone with known Thuringen collection and have them look at it.
     
  18. Suhrim21

    Suhrim21 Well-Known Member

    It is and that is what I was thinking of sending.
     
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  19. Steve56

    Steve56 Well-Known Member

    I think that smoothness does not equal fineness for most naturals, certainly jnats, Arks excepted where smoothness actually is fineness.
     
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  20. Leclec13

    Leclec13 Well-Known Member

    You could always send the stone to someone to hone on for a second opinion
     
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