New knot in old handle

Discussion in 'The Brush' started by tuxxdk, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. stonyloam

    stonyloam Well-Known Member

    Either silicone or epoxy (Goop would work too) whatever you use, you only need to use enough to hold the glue plug securly. With epoxy you would probably be fine just gluing the bottom, silicone is a little more flexable so a little more to come up around the sides of the glue plug would be better. In either case you don't want it to squeeze up out of the hole into the hair. The exception would be a wooden handle where you would want to coat the raw wood around the inside of the hole. In that case a thin layer before you set the knot should do it. With your faux ivory, should be no problem. Remember once you have enough glue in there to cover the bottom of the plug it only takes a very small amount to fill the space around the plug and squeeze out. Too little is WAY better than too much.
     
  2. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    This might be a really stupid question, but the factory knotted brushes I have now, they look like the base is drowned in glue so it's glued all over the inside of the handle. Am I mistaken?

    Let's say I get the handle sanded perfectly. It'll be 21mm. I get the 20mm knot that's 20,6mm. I know have .2mm on each side of the base inside the handle. Isn't that supposed to be filled/sealed so water does not pool inside?
     
  3. stonyloam

    stonyloam Well-Known Member

    If you shake the excess water off after you rinse it, it will dry just fine. If that worries you just keep adding glue until you fill the space, just be careful once the bottom is filed it will not take much.
     
  4. Jayaruh

    Jayaruh The Cackalacky House Pet

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    I'm looking forward to seeing your final product. I have a badger brush that I would like to reknot. It is scratchy with little backbone.
     
  5. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Thanks guys. I have some solid info go proceed on now.

    I'll post pictures when it's done. It might be soon but it might also be later. I've spent way too much this month already, but hey - why stop??? :D
     
  6. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Okay, knot arrived today. Time for an update to this thread.

    I decided to once more secure my handle in my bench-drill and see if I could get the remaining glue. Also I needed to lower the hole a bit, as the knot-base was a bit thicker than anticipated. All in all I got a hole that went down a few extra mm and the remaining glue all gone = perfect hole! Sadly a tiny mark on the edge from my last drill-session. Doesn't really show with the knot installed, so I don't want to do anything further in that regard.

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    Shavemac Silvertip 20mm knot / 48mm loft. Looks great, that badger. It's the first time I have a badger of that grade in my hands. It's not as soft as I thought, but perhaps that'll change when I get it wet and start breaking it in.

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    Just as the TV kitchen, I've cheated a bit! It's not glued yet, but just for shows this is what it'll look like when I find my glue in the workshop. I think it looks pretty okay. It's a dirt cheap handle, nothing exotic, but it has a good grip, which is why I decided to use it.

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    Man I can't wait to use it. Finally a decent badger. All I need now is a synthetic and then I'll have settled my SBAD ... I think... maybe...

    Thanks for all your help in this project. I couldn't have done it without!
     
  7. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Apparently, Loctite Super Glue doesn't work with the handle and the base. Wouldn't adhere.

    So I'm off to the store tomorrow after some 2 component epoxy.
     
  8. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    ahhhh, that went much better. Got the epoxy today, sanded the parts and glued together. Now I need to wait for it to dry.
     
  9. swarden43

    swarden43 "It's your shave. Enjoy it your way."©

    :signs107: Looks great! May it serve you well.
     
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  10. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Still waiting for it to try. I believe it said 6 hours till good but 24 for complete.

    What bugs me is that I don't even know if it works - I mean, maybe it'll fall right out.

    Thanks btw :)
     
  11. TitanTTB

    TitanTTB Well-Known Member

    It really turned out great, congratulations!
    Let us know how you like it after you take it for a spin.
     
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  12. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Sure thing, Titan - I'll prob. have to wait for tomorrow.
     
  13. HoosierTrooper

    HoosierTrooper Steve-less in Indiana

    Sometimes a simple handle looks great, and this one really does!
     
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  14. Bristle Me

    Bristle Me Insufficient

    +1 !!
     
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  15. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Thanks! I got it installed a few mm below the edge of the whole. That resulted in the bristles being held kinda tight at the base giving it a very "non-bloomy" look. I hope it'll bloom fine with time. Hard to measure precisely but the result ended with ~20@46mm, give or take.

    5 hours to go before first test-drive! :D
     
  16. michael54

    michael54 Well-Known Member

    Lol counting down haha I remember doing that with my f2 finest knot when it came. Now its my go to brush. My boar silvertip and synthetic get no love. And I gave away my pure badger
     
  17. swarden43

    swarden43 "It's your shave. Enjoy it your way."©

    Well??? We gotta know!! :)
     
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  18. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

  19. stonyloam

    stonyloam Well-Known Member

    Looks fine, good job. Almost too good. You took a needless risk by working on the hole more than necessary, and the result is the chip that never should have happened. That little bit of glue would have been of no consequence at all in the final reknot. If you needed to seat the knot a couple of mm deeper it is far safer to remove material from the bottom of the knot. The other thing you mentioned is the hair above the glue plug of the knot. It is very firm and difficult to compress (as you now know) so for anyone contemplating a reknot, a smaller knot size will often work better. The other thing to consider is that I see no reason that the knot could not be " bloomed" before it is installed which would give you a better gauge on seating depth and bloom. Just some hopefully constructive comments.
     
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  20. tuxxdk

    tuxxdk International Penguin of Mystery

    Thanks for the comments. Noted till the next job :) but I need to mention that the chip occured in my first drill, not this last part to remove the remaining. It went
    so well at first I got a bit cocky and slacked attention.

    I had no trouble fitting the tight plug in there. Firm yes, but very easy.
     

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