Amen brother.... and yes I am angry for you that ask. He pushed through all the spending in one bill that they could not get through in the last 8 years. This will take forever to pay off.. And mostly does nothing to get us out of the hole. I rarely call names, but the people that pushed this through jackass's of the first caliber. Oh and just an aside. as bad as W was, this takes the cake... and another note... the State I live in and the one I was born in did not vote obama in. Fuzzy
Nothin in this bill to be happy about. Just holler SOOOOWWWIEEEE This isn't going to do a dang thing for any of us. (piles up her canned veggies and counts packages of venison an such)
I hear that there may be "need" for a second stimulus package.... As far as "change", I thought this administration was supposed to be "transparent"with the bills and things on the internet so that the interested public could read them,some transparency,when the ones who voted on the bill didn't even have time to read the darn thing.
Before it is all said and done, they will have printed about 3 or 4 trillion dollars of funny money. Nothing will be solved as long as the Federal Reserve exists.
I'm thinking soon that Secretary Geithner is going to allow Monopoly money to be used, because they won't be able to print cash fast enough to pay for all of these "stimulus" packages. In similar news, it looks like my tax dollars, rather than staying with me to help ME pay MY mortgage, will be handed out to others who can't pay theirs. I could sure use some extra help paying my mortgage, as it is a hefty chunk of my monthly expenses. Unfortunately, I was stupid enough to buy less house than I can afford with a mortgage payment in line with my income. For that stupidity, I have to pay for my mortgage all on my own, while the person who was smart and bought more house than they could afford gets my tax dollars paying their mortgage. Clearly this is what the founding fathers had in mind when they sat together and crafted our government! Sorry for my rants! I just fail to see how it stimulates the economy by taking more money from the productive members of society and giving it to the less productive.
See this gal here.. this one right up there,.,. she gets it... Gotta love a lady that likes open comb vintage razors..and can cook Deer. Fuzzy
I am obviously not good at explaining things.. but you do a good job.. rant on. IF you loan money to people that do not deserve to have it..and by that I mean can afford topay it back..then you should expect them to not pay it back.. Like all the people who work at nothing jobs and drive new caddies and lincolns and what not.. I drive a 9 year old Dodge pickup that I fight to pay notes on..... No one seems to want to help me with my bills. Fuzzy
Because multi billioniares, I doubt you're one, can't possibly spend it all. The less fortunate can. So in your book pay = productivity? Some interesting facts concerning some of our previous discussions in the article below. http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_5jarring.feb11,0,878463.column
For the most part the less fortunate need to get off there collective butts and do something other then wait for the government to pull them out. And yes I been there. My mom raised us for awhile on her own when we were younger. Then she married a crop duster... we fought for everything we had. Living out on a farm. Hunted in the winter and had a garden in the spring and all. I know what I am talking about. Most of the people that are poor are there because they will not work there way out of it. Some are different, I understand this.. but most are lazy. That is how it is down here anyway. Fuzzy
So multi-billionaires should not be allowed to keep their money if they don't spend every last penny? And I'm sorry, but how does it help the less fortunate by dumping money on them and telling them to go spend it quick? Then they are back where they started - just with a few more possessions. Most people in better financial situations got that way because they didn't so readily spend all of their money. If all stimulus is is to take money from those we don't think are spending enough and give it to those we think will spend it more readily, then if the multi-billionaires promise to spend more money, will they be taxed less? Maybe a poor person will spend their money more readily than a wealthy person, but not in a very stimulative way. We'll assume that all of these needy are legitimate in their want. Give them the money, and they'll probably go buy food, clothing - you know, essentials. If they are smart, they won't go buy a house on these handouts, not knowing how long the goose will lay those golden eggs. Those kinds of purchases don't stimulate the economy. All it really is is a welfare payment. Welfare payments didn't get us out of the Great Depression. Welfare payments didn't get us out of the financial crisis of the 70's. Poor people with government checks didn't provide the spending that got us out of either of these situations. In the end, it was the productivity of businesses run by all those ruthless rich guys that pulled us out. Keynesian economic theory was long ago proven useless - nobody appears to have let the Democrats in on that piece of information.
stimulus watch blog Have you seen this blog re the city & state requests Stimulus_Watch? Pretty interesting site and although not the exact funds being allocated, it does reflect the requests and local comments and reactions.
I'd rather see the money spent here instead of on Gucci, Swiss ski vacations or other wastes that do not stimulate our economy. Welfare may not have got us out of the depression, economic policies are always debatable and I'm sure it helped greatly, but it did keep food in people's bellies and allowed many to survive the depressed period. Actually it is widely agreed upon that World War II ended the depression. The lightly regulated Regan free market and trickle down policies have been proven to lead to global economic ruin. Seems nobody has told the Republican's this.
So should Obama go find a war somewhere to get us out? I'm curious to hear how Reagan's economic policies led to global economic ruin. Reagan was in office from '81 to '89. He has been out of office for 20 years. This global economic crisis really got underway last year, 19 years after Reagan left office. 3 presidents have served since then, for a combined 5 terms. Beginning in Reagan's administration and continuing on through the '90's, this country experienced one of the biggest post-war economic booms in all of history. Reagan inherited stagflation and turned it into an economic boom. The current crisis has been pushed by policies that were not Reagan's. What we are experiencing now is a combination of very loose lending practices, combined with out of control housing prices, and toss in some government leaning of lending institutions to lend more to high risk individuals. I don't recall any of those policies being part of "Reaganomics." Are we really going to argue that cutting taxes - one of the hallmarks of Reaganomics - has been bad here? Bush cut taxes, and instead of the economy crashing in the wake of 9/11, we reached new levels. Reagan's tax cuts got us out of the malaise started by Nixon/Ford and exacerbated by Carter.
Well yah. His ideas may have jumpstarted the economy in the 80's but the widening gulf created by his tax policies are one of the main reasons the world is in the state it is now. They may not be directly attributable, but the underlying inequality that his trickle down (piss on) policies grew exponentially lead to the get mine greed that drove us right off the cliff. He's no hero of mine.
I would rather that people not waste their money, either. But I don't have the right to tell people how to spend their money, so long as they are spending it in a lawful manner. I don't understand this. The government cannot pass any laws that violate my right to free speech, my right to peacefully assemble, my right to worship in the manner I see fit. People spend their entire lives fighting government intrusions into privacy. People worry that the government is listening in on their phone calls and monitoring what books they check out from the library. And yet at the same time, we are talking about putting government in control of the fruits of our labors. We are also proposing to do it in an inequitable manner - those who make more should be more heavily taxed than those who make less. Yes, it is tragic that there are those that lack an income that provides for basic necessities. That does not give one group license to take from others to provide those necessities. We have put the cart before the horse. The government was created by the states and the people to serve them. We have now made it so that the people are serving the government. How ironic is it that the father of the Democratic party, Thomas Jefferson, feared that a federal government would one day do the very things his party now espouses. His party now provides his anti-federalist and nullification arguments with validation.
This house aint much house but I can pay my own mortgage, grow my own veggies and chase deer through the woods wiff a big ole smoke pole. I wasn't around for the Great Depression, but my family believes some old fashioned things. Since when do we trust the politicians in Washington anyhow!? Our entire world revolves around "Buy NOW, pay later", and later has arrived. The treasury has been printing monopoly money for years, money that has no real value behind it. What the answer for us is I don't know. But I agree that I'm tired of my tax dollars being handed out for a big bag full of absolutely nothing.
